We had a fairly informal lispy-gopher-climate live episode today, at 0UTC Wednesday on https://anonradio.net as always (literally always). The usual crowd were hanging around in jlamotheâs Paradise Sushi on the corner of Queenâs Boulevard and Main in the model railway set in the-further-guest-bedroom in lambdahouse. Initially mdh, then dm, eventually Schroeder, jeremy_list, yduJ and Perry, spidercat, gothpony, jasmaz of sdfâs vintage computalk. Yours truly. Lambda.
since I used my simple gnuplot to graph NZ temperature data we were talking about stats a bit in the climate segment- it is always a goal of mine to use lisp to help avoid cataclysmic climate crises. Doug Merritt usefully opined that averaging - in the example of publishing annual mean temperatures, a uniquely useless description of the temperatures experienced that year - that means are being used as a sort of proxy for doing a low-pass filter - much better to explicitly do the low pass filter (hey, we should do some fourier transforms here). My own point was that climate problems, such as the actual temperatures being experienced, are not being captured by just-a-mean. For example, the mean temperature, at the odd moments it does occur, is passed through during autumn and spring, when heat problems like wildfires are a hot-dry-summer thing, similarly, (lack of) cold in winter. I noted that aside from the first order trend (summer is hotter than winter - which would be the skew of the graph, wouldnât it?), in the single station NZ 1980 data, I eyeballed that the daily max, min and day-average sensor readings seemed to wander quite independently! Which I donât feel climate news has really captured. Kurtosis (how big outliers from the average tend to be) seemed to be quite large.
dm, it turned out, was college roommates with Ken Arnold but eschewed an offer to work with him on Rogue (of ârogue-likeâ infamy) in favour of his own Adventure-like game project. This was in the context of mdh sharing about Chez scheme game development of hackwaste the day before while I was working on my common lisp gnuplotting. I have to go through the show to find the list of more specific historically ground-breaking OG game-notes exchanged by mdh and dm.
I made my point about my work on a complete lisp lifecycle I have been working on
on the back of jackdanielâs compliment to me- it certainly is possible to very quickly and tersely GUI-ify a cli lisp class project using McCLIM. We noted Paoloâs noting of Symbolicsâ CLIM 2 documentation by lispm.
Ask Alfred again yourself, just to get his goat- but the gist is that he sees it as having been influenced by, not being derivative of interlisp traditional conversation lisp iteration in the very early days- placing
this incredibly important to know citation of Burke and Moon LOOP ITERATION MACRO from 1980
as the first clearly attributed document on what became ANSI Common Lispâs Loop Facility.
DM remembered Winstonâs books, Artificial Intelligence - âa general name, because he included everythingâ on Good-old-fashioned-AI, and LISP (with Horn). We also compared notes on John Allenâs Style in Allenâs The Anatomy of Lisp (which I didnât finish yet, and had not yet come to truly appreciate - now I think what I said about Allen on cdr-coding was just wrong). Spidercat learned Towers of Hanoi lisp from Harvey, whom I do not recall right now.
jeremy_list and I gave some of the New Zealand budget-maintenance-for-American-websites in a brief discussion of âphpâs resurgence: Itâs actually good nowâ as being connected to the crowds jumping off of the corporate flateur Rust Foundationâs bandwagon onto the php bandwagon, and saying the exact same blandishments (now about PHP).
I noted that rounding to the nearest hundred, lisp is approximately a hundred years old, and with the same rounding, python and perl are approximately zero years old.
Sorry for the informal post everyone, I just thought I would put ink to screen while it was fresh in our memory.
Oh! The actual recording is here on peertube.
See you on the Mastodon thread. What did I forget.
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